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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby ~RR~ » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:35 pm

october sky wrote:Darren, I'm speechless....nearly !! I could say so many things here but I refrain from commenting further except the fact that Suburban Rocketry has ALWAYS produced the most excellent service possible. Not only that but you are a gentleman and should be congratulated with your commitment to the Australian rocketry. 8)


I'll second that, Thanks for what you do for all of us Darren..
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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby air.command » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:33 pm

You have our full support too Darren. You've really helped promote rocketry in Australia in a big way.
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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby OverTheTop » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:56 pm

I can't believe people have so much time on their hands as to want to denigrate the name of Suburban Rocketry, and you personally, Bones.

Thanks for all your support of the hobby in Australia. Your efforts are recognised and lauded by many, and your service and packing skills legendary!

Keep up the good work. Let people vote with their feet. You will come out on top.
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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby Lamp » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:54 pm

I just had a bit of a look around the other forum. Could it be because a certain prominent member has set up his own shop and does not want the competition? I wonder if he has registered his business? What they have done to you stinks to high heaven Bones! :evil:

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I will personally NEVER purchase from this site, but I will continue to purchase from and support Suburban Rocketry as much as possible. The underhanded nature of this has actually made me quite angry!
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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby Tarpazium » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:08 pm

Lamp wrote:Could it be because a certain prominent member has set up his own shop and does not want the competition?


I think we need to be careful here and avoid jumping to any rash conclusion.

Let's not get paranoid here gentlemen!

I'm almost certain, that this could have had nothing whatsoever, to do with this decision.

Suburban Rocketry may after all, have to shoulder some of the blame here itself. Knowing Darren to be a "fair minded" individual, I believe that he would probably be one of the very first to admit, that he just had NO product offerings, that even came close, let alone rival some of "WTF" Rocketry's amazing products.

For example did you know that in WA they even sell (presumable only to ALL new ARA rocketeers and schools) wadding for BP rockets by the bag for the "crazy" low price of just $9-95 for a fullGlad bag full of the stuff.

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"BRIM FULL" BAGS OF WADDING - ONLY $9-95

At the end of the Day the Rocket Buying Public will just have to make it's own mind up!

Tarp

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Now I can hear some of you murmuring already!

And yes, I'm sure that some of you may already be saying, "That you could buy a "life time supply" of cellulose fiber insulation, in a massive Bale, that would almost be too big, to even fit in the boot of your car for not much more than $30-00".

YES - that may be true BUT please however consider, that if you did that, you'd completely miss out on that handy "ziplock" bag!

I will say no more.

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby bpratt » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:33 pm

Well all I can say is that all my dealings with Suburban Rocketry have been very pleasant and have had absolutely no issues whatsoever.

I will buy again from Suburban Rocketry, as I know it is an extremely ethical business.

Keep your head held up high!

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby Wingnut » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:44 pm


What a shame!

As the saying goes: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger!

Not to downplay the toll these events must have taken on you Bones, but this old adage already appears to be true for Suburban Rocketry. I'm staggered by what you've achieved in a just few short years, and, as I've said before, you're a huge asset to the rocketry in this country.

Hey Bones, may I ask if the ARA executive has offered to refund your earlier donation, or would it appear that they are willing to accept monetary support from, according to the ARA President, an "illegal business"?

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby Tarpazium » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:12 am

WAS IT JUST SPONSORSHIP ?

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Suburban Rocketry may well find itself fending off calls from the ABC's "4 Corners" producers, seeking interviews!

After all, here in Queensland, isn't that how the whole Gordon Nuttall affair got started, when an elected official solicited funds from a allegedly corrupt business man.

NO WAIT - I think we are safe - While the some of you could possibly believe that funds/sponsorship received, from what the even benefactor theirselves now describe, as an allegedly "illegal" business, you may well have consider that any resulting payment could also be either "illegal", or at the very least to be"tainted".

I myself however, believe that the ARA, once again are above reproach on the whole "corrupt elected representative"l front and have NO case to answer.

You see cleverly, they are ALL in fact merely "self appointed" persons.

(NOW ISN'T THAT SMART!)

However just harking back to the "Nuttall" case and subsequent trial - I would be an interesting matter for the public record to know, just "who approached who". After all I would have thought that any measure of "due diligence" by an official, should have been conducted before and NOT after the receiving of corrupt monies/sponsorship fee.

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- These are after all this is just common practices, that are widely used in many "family" businesses, many of which may even pre-date modern rocketry.

You may even speculate, that the origins of these practices have their roots in medieval Europe and were widely practiced in ancient Sicilian feudal society.

In those days one family, would suggest to a upcoming local merchant, that he may wish to consider to make a contribution/sponsorship payment to that particular family group, to ensure that his business would continue to prosper.

Not being myself a fluent speaker of the Italian language - I can not recall the local name of this most ancient of practices. Perhaps however you can?

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby RocketPants » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:44 am

Bones, I have just read through these posts and it is fairly clear where the motivation for this action has come from. I admire your reasoned and professional response in the face of nastiness and stupidity. Suburban Rocketry has been a great supporter of the Australian rocketry community by its very existence. Your range, professionalism, customer service and sharp pricing is the best, and that is borne out by the many other supporting posts on this thread.

Forums like this are both the blessing and the curse of the internet - a blessing when used properly and a curse when they degenerate into name calling and vitriol. I have been a member of many hobby forums over the last 10 years or so and I have always prided myself in never making things personal, so this will be my first transgression of my own rule... That other rocketry vendor that has a banner on the ARA forum had as its avatar, until very recently, a Nazi death's head. I think that, more than anything, shows you the sort of people that are behind this.

And Tarp, the crazy one on the left is King Julian, but I just can't remember the name of the other one...

Don't lose heart Bones. We're all behind you!

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PS - I would ask for your donation back...

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby ROCKet STAR » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:40 am

Tarpazium wrote:
For example did you know that in WA they even sell (presumable only to ALL new ARA rocketeers and schools) wadding for BP rockets by the bag for the "crazy" low price of just $9-95 for a fullGlad bag full of the stuff.

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"BRIM FULL" BAGS OF WADDING - ONLY $9-95



I noticed that one... It just goes to highlight the generosity of clubs that provide such a valuable commodity to it's members for free!

10 out of 10 to the ARA propaganda machine!
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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby Tarpazium » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:04 am

RocketPants wrote:
And Tarp, the crazy one on the left is King Julian, but I just can't remember the name of the other one...

RocketPants

PS - I would ask for your donation back...


Thanks for that RocketPants

I must admit to enjoying a good animated cartoon

Don't you?


There are so many valuable lessons about life, that we can learn from them, regardless of how absurd the principal characters may be.

I think the previous photo of King Julian and his every faithful sidekick (....what was his name?), was taken NOT from the original featurem but from the squeal Movie called "Madagascar 2".

Now this is only my personal opinion, but have you ever noticed how often, when they take a good idea and re-run it or try revive it, in a second attempt, that in most cases it either flops or simply just doesn't work!

I'm sure this can be attributed to many factors. Quite often despite even having a cast that includes many of the original actors/clowns/cartoon characters these second attempts just flop. Perhaps in some case it's just be a matter of "fading stars" wanting to relive some past glories. Maybe it is just the fault of greedy promoters wishing to extract every last cent from their audience.

Regardless of what the movie or cartoon may be - as a general rule, I feel that in most cases SEQUELS JUST DON'T WORK!

I wonder if there are any "lessons of life" that the Australian Rocketry community, can take from the tragic failures of all to many of these cinematic sequels?

Tarp

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CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE CASE IN POINT

Surely you all remember the "one of kind" movie called "Snakes on a Plane" and it's sequel "Snakes on a Train"?

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Is it just me -or is there a vague familiarity about one of those logos?

"JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE TO GO BACK INTO THE AIR" -

(That just works on so many levels.)

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby PK » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:05 pm

I posted this on the ARA forum, just after the quip about Hibridhigflyer's post. I said I'd post it here too. So.

Yeah, Wayne tends to shoot from the hip, lord knows I've had at him a few times for it, but he's basically a good egg.
I'd encourage other readers to look at his comment in context.

Yet another user has been summarily banned from this forum over a disagreement. In this case there are undertones of commercialism and it just all smells rotten. Whilst everyone acknowledges that the forum owner has no obligations to the users. Unilaterally suppressing individuals freedom of speech is one of the things that really makes the ARA look bad, I'm pretty sure it was a key factor in the NSWRA's decision to move on.
Worse than that it just winds everyone up and we get back to this US and THEM rubbish with the usual suspects (on both sides) saying the usual things. Low and behold we all take a step backwards and settle down into a comfortable tribal existence hating each other.

Look, it's just my opinion, but I don't call that leadership.. I'm sure that the phones ran hot amongst the ARA inner circle prior to this. Would a call to Bones really have been out of the question? Hell, if you can't face him, call me, I don't have any authority to do anything but I'd be happy to mediate if it would help avert this kind of scene..

I'm gonna copy/paste this to the other forum;
a). to make the point that I'm not actually taking sides...
b). and to make it obvious if you delete this post.

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby hybridhighflyer » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:01 pm

Look PK I do try and find the best in everyone. Yes I do fire from the hip and fast but I always have a reason to.

ARA leadership I cant find any good in. As for members themself no issue and I do appoligise to them for this happening. Im sure if I was on the other side I would feel bad and possibly also upset at the comments said here.

They think its ok to try and destroy another company? They tried with me.....

They must know their games can backfire? My offer still stands of legal money to help get back the sponsorship money. As a company this is defrimation (not sure how thats spelt) and to treat a company who is sponsoring another this was is immoral and wrong. A company can function as a "hobby" and still have the rights as one.

I have no intention to take down ARA however the dictatorship (as a jew I have never been fond of them) I wish they would STOP DESTROYING the hobby. ARA has huge potiential and they need to know whats best for them and the community and step down for this. If this keeps up I will post the emails I have recieved from ARA leadership for their members to see and everyone else.

Personal is personal .... company is company. The lines MUST NEVER CROSS.

Ok bones your awsome .... so is october sky and so is kopius you 3 are the people who make this hobby in this country. Without you I would not be here and same with the most of the community. You have made this all possible.

Ok maybe im missing a few from the awsome list however will be edited when I remember you :P

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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby Scoop1261 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:24 pm

PK wrote:
Yet another user has been summarily banned from this forum over a disagreement.



Meh!...........I was banned without even making a single post!.......I reckon that has got to be some form of record! :D

Yeah.........they summarily banned my IP address, which meant I could not even view the forum, I thought that was pretty poor form on their part........... but I suppose the delusional paranoia won out in the end!

Naturally, I was shattered at not being able to view their forum............................NOT! :D
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Re: Suburban Rocketry official statement

Postby Sumo310 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:33 pm

I don't care too much for the Awesome List, however, can I be on the F@CKING AWESOME list?
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