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Australian Rocketry's Thunda Down Under 2015

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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby joeman » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:38 pm

How a very exciting idea. (and Daunting).

A few ideas that pop into my head...brain storming...(Raw thoughts):-

* Getting the Administrative side things done will be a great accomplishment in itself.
(Certainly great for ones CV).

* When I think of such a project, I think 'baby' steps first.
e.g. Aim for less than 100km, with a view to then go above 100km. Use the results of < 100km to assist in getting any
licences or Exemptions.

* Collaboration with Universities? (Challenge?)

* Anyone who can be called upon to provide general advice...someone who has 'done it' I think would be more than helpful.

* Is anyone else...or an Org trying already do something like this? Collaborate...rather than everyone do their own thing?

* Is the final outcome then just going to be a launch to say 120km... or is their some 'greater' purpose....e.g. to perhaps provide information for someone who might want to take up some commercial operation?
i.e. a LOT would be learnt...it'd be a shame for it not to lead to other things.

* Use an existing proven launch site? Woomera?

* Ask SpaceX for funding? :D
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby joeman » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:41 pm

p.s. It took me nearly 5 months to get permission to fly a high altitude balloon..and $560

I'd hate to imagine how much effort is required to get permission to go > 100km
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby Kryten » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:12 pm

Just spit-balling here:
Is a high altitude launch from NZ more "relaxed"?
If so, maybe a joint venture?
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby joeman » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:21 pm

Not sure if it is easier to do in NZ.

I did have a VERY quick browse through some of the Space Act...and there are sections on Australians doing launches from overseas...so it may not be quite as simple.

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12 Overseas launch requires an overseas launch certificate
If:
(a) a space object is launched from a launch facility located
outside Australia; and
(b) the launch is not authorised by an overseas launch certificate
held by any person; and
(c) an Australian national is a responsible party for the launch;
the Australian national is guilty of an offence punishable on
conviction by:

...etc...
----

of course this isn't relevant if the person responsible for the launch is Not an Australian national.
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby joeman » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:17 pm

Another idea....
Put it to University (or other org) to supply payload to perform scientific function.

All requires quite a bit of commitment though from people who are volunteers
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby ROCKet STAR » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:31 pm

joeman wrote:of course this isn't relevant if the person responsible for the launch is Not an Australian national.



Someone like me then! :wink:

I have in the past read through the UK Outer Space Act, and it is much more vague than the Australian version. It seems to concern itself with orbital flight. The associated guidelines for the application for a "license to operate a space object" suggest that "There is flexibility in the UK approach to licensing", and that that applicants should contact the UK Space Agency to determine whether a license is required.
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby b-h » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:19 pm

I think there is heaps of cool amateur stuff to do with rockets, I have no doubt that you blokes are capable of the space thing, but I reckon you could do a whole lot better before you go paying commonwealth government departments good money all for what? ( how's that hyshot space thing scramjet going) You have already have an approved 120,000' launch area. That's a **** load of feet to do some pretty awesome stuff in.
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Postby martymonsta » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:03 pm

For anyone interested in high altitude / stratosphere flights this is the report from the Carmack Prize winning Team AeroPac 100k' project. 100 pages of info (18MB)

http://aeropac100k.insaneprojects.com/data/AeroPac%202012%20100k'%20Program%20Report.compressed.pdf

A point of interest that I have gained from it, They flew to 104k' on 21kNs, and they point out that the ARCUS sounding rocket did 200k' on 40kNs. So I ask, How high could a staged O go? :wink:
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby air.command » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:44 pm

I too think 100,000' project is a much more realistically attainable yet technologically challenging goal without needing to jump through hoops to get approval for a space shot. Funding is always going to be the number one issue in a project like this. Reducing the overall cost of the project will mean more likelyhood of a successfully funded campaign. 100,000' will give you similar bragging rights to a space shot and you still get to see the blackness of space. There will be plenty to learn from the flight(s) to then apply to a potential space shot in the future.

One experimental package you could fly is a whole bunch of amateur rocketry altimeters/flight computers made by different manufacturers and record their performance. Say you fly 3 or 5 of each and compare their accuracy to themselves and to others as they all undergo the same flight profile. That should in turn help provide data back to the manufacturers to continue to improve their products, while also benefiting the rest of the rocketry community as they push for higher altitudes. The manufacturers could loan their flight computers for the experiment, and perhaps help to contribute to the cost of the project?

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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby october sky » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:52 pm

WHAT GEORGE SAID...... :wink: 8) Perfect plan....
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby lorstin » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:33 am

Er... what happened to the stats? :?
caveat emptor :?

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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby cryoscum » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:05 am

The full report, including stats, will be released in a day or so.
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Re: Thunda Stats

Postby lorstin » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:09 pm

............
caveat emptor :?


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